27 odpowiedzi

1. You @21:19: "Basically the fascist, burn books. That burning book thing, which is a hangover of course from the Nazis, in the 1930's, and '40's. And which is being done by legislation, in certain places, around the world, right now". Yo WOW, you're referencing the MAGA/Trump regime (and I MEAN, 'REGIME'), and their deplorable ideals, relating close to what 'Fahrenheit 451' depicts, aren't you😏???? Cause if you were, you'd be hitting the nail, right on the head👍😉!!!
   I always liked 'Fahrenheit 451 (the temperature at which paper, starts to ignite)' ever since I was a kid. TOTALLY creeped me out, that a supposably fictional government, could represent, such a nightmarish ideal.

2. Not from that era, but nevertheless French, there's "Blondie Maxwell ne perds jamais" (2020) ("Blondie Maxwell never looses") which is set in the very near future when justice is überized, meaning that the tracking of wanted criminals and their on-the-spot execution are given as contracts to any citizen willing to do the job.

   The budget was 20 000€. The trailer as well as the movie are available for free on yt (all non-exclusive distribution rights paid, Shoreline distribution) subtitled in English, as well as many extras (in French). The epilogue to the movie is political and pertains directly to what people were and are still experiencing regarding social medias, dissidence, and an overpowering A.I. entity to which, to paraphrase, we gave all of our personal data.

3. Fahrenheit 451 predicted everyone would have huge smart screen TVS

4. Yeah, Wuperttal is where the "Dangle Bahn" is!

   Ray Bradbury basically prophesied widescreen TV! In fact, those in the film are more like those we have now than the wall consuming designs in the book! He's my favourite author (summer's coming round in the UK, so time for my annual re-read of "Dandelion Wine!") and everytime I re-read "Fareinheit 451" I can't help thinking how we are heading closer to that World! I've only seen the film once but yeah, I agree that the simplistic dialogue show's a World that's been dumbed down!

   I remember Eddie Constantine as the Mafia guy in "The Long Good Friday". Didn't know about his French career. He has a very dour, Buster Keaton type face which is ideal for a down at heel PI!

5. There is at least one other French New Wave science fiction file that I can think of, but it is quite different from these two. That film is Alain Renais' Je t'aime, je t'aime.

6. To answer your question in 22:50: Printing things in totalitarian states is extremely hard. For example in the GDR (former Eastern communist part of Germany) there were strict controls on, not only professional printing equipment, but also typewriters and photocopiers. Every typewriter was registered with type examples. If a piece of paper was found it was easy to trace it back to the typewriter and therefore the person who owned it. Photocopiers were extremely rare and every copy had to be accounted for. That's what the Greens party in West German smuggled photocopiers and typewriters into the GDR.

7. I've got the same physical media you showed, but I have not watched either film for decades. I did prefer Alphaville. And Gattaca uses French cars from the sixties in, I think, an obvious homage. Both (Alphaville and Gattaca) are really great films. I may not have watched Fahrenheit 451 enough, and have totally ignored its remake. Keep up the great work.

8. Love both of these films. Certainly didn't take long for American and British directors to pick up new wave techniques after the initial distaste. Alphaville is kind of like Sam Spade meets Big Brother. 60s Goddard is top notch for me, can't say I like much of his post 60s. One quibble with this film and others of his, way too long scenes of 2 people talking & philosophizing in a room. Good for a bit but then in goes on and on. I think the idea of the ending of Fahrenheit 451 is that if the authorities ever showed up at the dissident camp, there's no books to find so they can't do anything to them. I certainly couldn't memorize an entire novel. Resnais' Je t'aime je t'aime is another New Wave sci-fi film you could include.

9. I also love Alphaville. Always have. Very clever, but I can understand that some people won’t agree. It’s now a long time since I’ve seen the Truffaut film, so I need to see it again before commenting. Grateful for the reviews, Terry. I wonder if the one followed the other here, I mean deliberately so. It’d be good to find other SF films that I’ve not come across, but I suspect that I trawled this ocean pretty well at the time. But I live in hope. It’s one of the reason I like east European film, because there’s a chance I might find something there.

10. Terry: Forgot to ask if you're doing a live chat soon?

11. I've actually seen both of the films under discussion for once, albeit not for decades. I mostly remember the voice of Alpha 60. Apparently no one knows who provided it, cos the man asked to remain anonymous.

12. Love “Fahrenheit 451” (1966) and have watched it a good half a dozen times since the late 1960s. The introductory credits is all audio. Great music by Bernard Herrmann specially when the fire engine rolls. Inside Guy Montag’s house is futuristic and really well done. François Truffaut and the actors had to converse through interpreters. Such a good movie with a great ending.
    Clarisse: Is it true that a long time ago, firemen used to put out fires and not burn books?
    Guy Montag: Your uncle is right, you are light in the head, put out fires? Houses have always been fireproof.
    Clarisse: Ours isn't…
    Guy Montag: Well, it should be condemned, destroyed, and you'll have to move to one that is.

13. Alphaville was one of the first movies I saw in my film analysis class. We had to submit a film journal afterwards and 17yr old me tried to make sense of the aqua ballet execution lol. I said it was something only a computer would come up with 🤷‍♂️
    Really love the aesthetics of both films and you can see the influence in recent movies like Gattaca, Tenet, Inception.

14. like early Godard but not Alphaville. Will post my review if anyone cares

15. I'm sure a future product though so very well in the world" Fahrenheit 451"… Would be audiobooks!! Problem Solved! Roll End Credits!

16. I recently watched the bluray print of Alphaville. Never saw it before but heard about it. I was memorized by it. Took about 15 minutes to really get into it, but I realy enjoyed the film. After viewing I reflected that it was shot in the 60s' backdrops. No futuristic buildings, spacesuits, gadgets, etc. At this point I realized how scary this film is. Our society is becoming Alphaville. Just got the 4K Kino edition to watch.

17. A third movie which could fit your theme here is Fantastic Planet. It is a French/Czech animated fantasy/sci-fi film which concerns an extremely classist system in very absurd but mesmerizing ways. (I thought it was funny when you obliquely referenced Fantastic Voyage after I had already planned on making this comment.)

18. The computer voice (by Paul Frees) in "Colossus: The Forbin Project" (1970) sounds similar to an electronic voice box.

19. Without diving too deep, the dialogue may have been wanting and not as developed because, I opine, they live in an authoritarian society where READING is banned and punishable. The brainwashed are illiterate. The audience is not allowed to read the main titles of the movie open. They don't appear. Verboten. We HEAR them from an anonymous V.O.

20. Think about it. Here we are in the first quarter of the 21st and think of all the old stuff that's still here and still being used. How old are the subways in NYC? How would a science fiction movie from the '60s fare if it showed people still riding those dirty subway cars?

21. I totally have to rewatch Alphaville. I think I was around 14 when I last watched it, and as a "serious" SF fan, the stuff like "driving all night through space" (in a car on a highway) gave me rather a "What the???" moment

22. Terry: As always, a very creative choice of movies to profile. Especially in context to current times…which makes those films even more frightening.
    I've heard of "Alphaville" but haven't watched it. The way you describe it, you don't need a huge budget and CGI to tell a good story.

    On the other hand, "F-451" I haven't seen in decades. What I remember is how "dumbed-down" that populous is (reminiscent of today's so-called "reality programs") and if books are banned, I assume everyone is illiterate…so how anyone read a forbidden book?

    BTW: I spend some money and 3 hours of my life I wish I could get back watching the latest "Mission Impossible" film.
    Maybe "The Man from UNCLE" would have been a better choice…but that film (in my opinion) is also unwatchable.

    Thanks again.

23. Akim Tamiroff not only was in several Orson Welles' noir films (notably "Touch Of Evil"), but worked in a wide variety of genres. You could find him in adventure films, period epics, spy and some heist films (the original "Oceans 11", its follow-up, "The Rat Pack" and "Topkapi"). He was even in a 1967 B/W horror film, "The Vulture" in which he played the villain and gave a performance that totally creeped me out for days afterwards. Supposedly, Tamiroff was the model Jay Ward used for the character of 'Boris Badenov' in the "Rocky & Bullwinkle" cartoon show.

24. I've wanted to see "Alphaville" for many years…decades, in fact. Just last week, I came across the Criterion laserdisc in an op shop; I'm looking forward to spinning it. Thanks, Terry. "Fahrenheit 451"…that striking final scene set to Herrmann's achingly wistful music as the people walk back and forth memorizing their books as the snow falls…beautiful.

25. Yes, regarindg ALPHAVILLE, just like you, I did not like it, but then on subsequent viewing I have changed. I have a KINO LORBER DVD of this. There is one sequence that I believe influenced the Chanel Number 5 commercials. that we had in the I also have enjoyed some of Eddie Constantine movies. For those who do not know, he played this characgter iin several films, before James Bond. Would recommend of all the films, the second one THIS MAN IS DANGEROUS. even had a sub plot that wouold be in YOJIMBO and FISTFUL OF DOLLARS. I really also believe the first, not so great, POISON IVY, influenced THUNDERBALL.
    Other Constantine movies, some you can see here on YT, SOS PACIFIC, a British fim, and unusual in many ways. that film was made before even the book was written, FLIGHT OF THE PHEONIx. A lot of similarities. HAIL MAFIA, not a good print here, but a film that I think should be seen, starts a little cheezy, but gets good. More really the starts are Jack Klugman and Henry SIlva. A favorite of mine, and I consider the best Euro Spy film ever made, and when I say that, I don't inclujde Great Britain, but by JESS FRANCO, CARDS ON THE TABLE, alsoo inown as ATTACH OF THE ROBOTS.

26. Funny last night I saw a clever version of the suspended monorail on an episode of Gerry Anderson's Thunderbirds 😊
    Fahrenheit 451 also has one of Bernard Herrmann's best of his post-Hitchcock scores.
    Alphaville looks really interesting & 😎 Great reviews Terry!

27. Sure glad my country the USA is not trying to control truth like other countries.